if you put all that together, that's a big deal. and it's a deal that's been around in washington at least since the deficit and debt commission. and i think would get broad bipartisan support. and so everyone has been pushing up against this deadline which we also knew was coming for a long time. >> right. >> to see how the politics is going to turn out. >> but again, carly, just to be clear without generating any new revenue can you adequately address this problem despite all the things you just said? >> oh, i think revenue razors, in my opinion, are fine. that's different than raising tax rates. and i think what we need to do is lower tax rates and close loopholes, and that raises revenue. and i think there's broad support for that. >> john corzine, on the other hand we're still recovering from a major recession which is i think what's captured so many people's attention. republicans say now is not the time to take any money out of the pockets of, as you heard, job creators. >> do they have a point? >> let me start with, almost e